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Why We Should NOT Look For Aliens - The Dark Forest

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    The Universe is incredibly big and seems full of potential for life, with billions of habitable planets. If an advanced civilization had the technology to travel between the stars, at just 0.1% of the speed of light, It could colonize our galaxy in roughly 100 million years. Which is not that long given the billions of years the milky way has existed - so in principle any spacefaring civilization should be able to spread rapidly over huge sectors of the galaxy. And yet we see nothing, hear nothing, the universe seems empty. Devoid of others. This is the Fermi Paradox, which we have discussed in more detail in other videos.
    Confronted with the seemingly empty universe, humanity faces a dilemma. We desperately want to know if we are alone in the Milky Way. We want to call out and reveal ourselves to anyone watching but that could be the last thing we ever do. Because maybe the universe is not empty. Maybe it’s full of civilizations but they are hiding from each other. Maybe the civilizations that attracted attention in the past were wiped away by invisible arrows. This is the Dark Forest solution to the Fermi paradox.
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Comentários • 29 027

  • Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell
    Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell  9 meses atrás +17979

    If this video made you curious and you like reading great and long sci fi books, check out the three body problem by Liu Cixin, who formulated the dark forest idea for the first time. And with that, we say good bye to the year 12,021. It truly was a wild time, and passed so, so quickly. For us at the Kurzgesagt team it was full of changes and achievements and we learned so much and tried so many new things. And we have so many exciting ideas and projects that we can’t wait to share with you next year! I know I say this often but doing Kurzgesagt really is just such a joy. We only can do this because of you, so thank you so, so much. We appreciate it more than you might imagine. Have wonderful holidays and get safely into the year 12,022. We’ll see you on the other side! - Philipp
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    • Metal Monkey
      Metal Monkey 27 dias atrás

      But why only mention this here? less than 1% of the people who watch the video will see this comment, and you don't mention anywhere in the actual video that you seem to have ripped off most of these ideas word for word from that book. I am not exactly comfortable with this. Especially if you are making money from those half million views.

    • Andrei F
      Andrei F Mês atrás

      Cixin wasn't the one who formulated this idea for the first time. Greg Bear used this idea decades before him in "The Forge of God"

    • Neo FromtheWarnerBrothersiconicfilmfranchiseTheMatr
      Neo FromtheWarnerBrothersiconicfilmfranchiseTheMatr 3 meses atrás

      @Andromeda Delux lmao and why do you think the burden of proof has shifted?
      You're the one making the claim. The burden of proof is 100% yours.

    • Andromeda Delux
      Andromeda Delux 3 meses atrás

      @Neo FromtheWarnerBrothersiconicfilmfranchiseTheMatr The burden of truth has shifted. You will have to explain why they are not.

  • Dae Nite
    Dae Nite 9 meses atrás +42192

    Imagine finally getting a message from space, and after decoding it, the message says "be quiet, they'll hear you."

    • Christopher Schulz
      Christopher Schulz 24 dias atrás

      @youknowiactafool That was hilariously accurate, and perfect description of both presidents. 😂

    • James garzillo
      James garzillo 26 dias atrás

      “Who are you? Who are they? Are you able to tell me?”

    • Doc Acher
      Doc Acher 27 dias atrás

      This was wonderfully chilling.

    • Lennie
      Lennie 3 meses atrás

      @pHixiq yes. Gonna get got

    • Perceptual Abyss
      Perceptual Abyss 4 meses atrás

      That would be scary but disappointing

  • insert cool name here
    insert cool name here 4 meses atrás +1730

    The idea of some alien space council that knows we’re here but is waiting for us to “grow up” is actually really comforting for some reason.

    • Hasabob
      Hasabob 8 dias atrás


    • Marc
      Marc 15 dias atrás

      @The Whomping Wampa soo when does the banging start kek

    • Dave Edwards
      Dave Edwards 21 dia atrás

      Star Trek

    • vtrbswarmachine
      vtrbswarmachine 23 dias atrás

      It's not gonna be that nice. I guarantee it. If at all it's not gonna be worth it to travel and not get anything.

    • Unca Boat
      Unca Boat Mês atrás

      @Kyn Katan It may not be rarity, just simply the massive distances involved.
      The Milky Way has an area of roughly almost a billion square light years. If there are, say, 100,000 civilizations out there _right now, just like us,_ we're all in our own "circle" of roughly 90,000 square light years. That puts an average distance of almost 170 light years to our closest neighbor.
      We have not had radio technology that long, and if our neighbors haven't either, it's impossible for either of us to know about the other.

  • Max Weber
    Max Weber 4 meses atrás +553

    This would make a sick 4x Stellaris-like game. One that is massively multiplayer, with the starter tech being the ability to completely wipe out another player's planets with absolutely no warning. Limited resources force the player to expand quickly or face extinction, unlike in other 4x games where most empires are self-sustaining. However, expansion from a player that is too quick, or lacking in proper cloaking, would reveal themselves to others. Thus, the game then revolves around in-depth interstellar espionage. The closest approximation would be anarchy Minecraft servers where bases are days apart, and exposure is near-guaranteed destruction.
    It's also a deep dive into the psychology of griefing in games and should ensure that the entire playthrough is quite hostile. Finally, an emphasis on quick restarts would allow fast bounce backs and lessen the negative impacts of empire destruction, similar to other quick-start games.

    • jatin thakur
      jatin thakur 8 dias atrás

      @Giorgi Iobidze name?

    • Giorgi Iobidze
      Giorgi Iobidze 11 dias atrás

      isn't there a game like that, but on a planetary scale, that blitz plays

    • Fick Dich
      Fick Dich 24 dias atrás

      Lmfao literally explained starcraft and starcraft 2

    • Fick Dich
      Fick Dich 24 dias atrás

      You mean starcraft?

  • Emi_Marsilli
    Emi_Marsilli 2 meses atrás +325

    “Maybe the only way out of the dark forest is to step into the clearing, together” one of my favorites quotes from this channel. ❤️

    • Kai Yan
      Kai Yan 2 dias atrás

      They say this in the video just to please the audience. Use logic and think what the worst consequences would be and whether our civilization can afford such consequences.

    • Bastien Petit
      Bastien Petit 19 dias atrás +1

      famous last words

    • Omega
      Omega Mês atrás +9

      inb4 we do that and some other race spots us both and eliminates us both

    • Jenee Berry
      Jenee Berry 2 meses atrás +16

      Or let's chop it all down, we are rlly good at deforestation (joke)

  • Nerezza
    Nerezza 2 meses atrás +238

    Probably one of my favourite quotes ever regarding this comes from a scifi book from Charles Pellegrino:
    “Imagine yourself taking a stroll through Manhattan, somewhere north of 68th street, deep inside Central Park, late at night. It would be nice to meet someone friendly, but you know that the park is dangerous at night. That's when the monsters come out. There's always a strong undercurrent of drug dealings, muggings, and occasional homicides.
    It is not easy to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys. They dress alike, and the weapons are concealed. The only difference is intent, and you can't read minds.
    Stay in the dark long enough and you may hear an occasional distance shriek or blunder across a body.
    How do you survive the night? The last thing you want to do is shout, "I'm here!" The next to last thing you want to do is reply to someone who shouts, "I'm a friend!"
    What you would like to do is find a policeman, or get out of the park. But you don't want to make noise or move towards a light where you might be spotted, and it is difficult to find either a policeman or your way out without making yourself known. Your safest option is to hunker down and wait for daylight, then safely walk out.
    There are, of course, a few obvious differences between Central Park and the universe.
    There is no policeman.
    There is no way out.
    And the night never ends.”

    • Space junk
      Space junk Dia atrás

      Sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy.

    • Selman Topaloğlu
      Selman Topaloğlu 2 dias atrás

      @Kai Yan lm not saying something wrong with dark. İts just dark and l make comment without thinking

    • Kai Yan
      Kai Yan 2 dias atrás

      @Selman Topaloğlu what's wrong with dark? It is important to know the reality then living in fairy tale imagination.

  • KoutetsuSteel
    KoutetsuSteel 9 meses atrás +5153

    I mentioned it last time as well, but holy heck do I want to play a simulation/strategy game that has the art/design team from Kurzgesagt.
    Especially after the strategy game-esque animations we were shown in the middle of the video.

    • no
      no 7 meses atrás

      One word: Spore

    • Sarah
      Sarah 8 meses atrás


    • Thatonexgen
      Thatonexgen 9 meses atrás

      @Juan Solís civ series then you get space tech that then changes the game towards stellaris.... With the art style of Kurzgesagt.

    • Robin Chesterfield
      Robin Chesterfield 9 meses atrás

      Did you mean: One of the older Civ games?
      No seriously, the map-grid looks like any game before Civ 5 (when they switched to hexes) and the whole "Cultures develop at different rates, so you might end up with spears against tanks" thing happens ALL THE TIME in those games.
      I know that of course other games would fit that description as well, but I just couldn't NOT think of, for example, the time I was barely up to steam power and literal MECHAS were stomping around my kingdom. (Fortunately, they were friendlies.) The situation shown in that part of the video will be VERY familiar to any Civ player. :)

    • Priya Sarov
      Priya Sarov 9 meses atrás +1

      The one in the dysonsphere video is pretty good too

  • GrumpyPoephoofd
    GrumpyPoephoofd 18 dias atrás +3

    Previously talked about is that a black hole
    can shoot off objects at a significant fraction
    of the speed of light. Civilizations could use
    black holes to annihilate each other, not by
    building a black hole bomb, but shooting
    bombs WITH the energy of the black hole,
    with the black hole bomb as a final resort if

  • Kristofer Hutter
    Kristofer Hutter 2 meses atrás +82

    Go read "the three body problem" series, by Cixin Liu. It's translated beautifully, and paints a detailed picture of what this would look like in practice. Also it's one of the most enjoyable series I've read in ages.

    • Derrick White
      Derrick White 15 dias atrás

      ​@Corvus ​I never claimed the three body problem is "solved" in general. I said there are several cases for which it is solved, and the star system the book specifically calls out is one of them. Examples of solved three-body positions include the earth-moon system, Lagrange orbits, the Neptune-Pluto system, and Alpha Centari. As a general rule the "restricted" case where one of the three bodies is much smaller than the others is especially well studied and especially common in nature.
      Additionally, Our ability to simulate the orbits in the three body problem and predict them is fairly good, and because of the astronomical distances and time scales involved, it can be predicted much faster than it actually happens. You can't get a general solution, but you can run a simulation, and even calculate the error in your simulation and at what point its no longer valid.
      Go ahead and find a online simulator of the problem. Build your understanding. Get a feel for it. Its fun.

    • Corvus
      Corvus 16 dias atrás

      @Derrick White You have no clue what you're talking about. We only know solutions for specific cases with a known starting position for all three bodies

    • Kristofer Hutter
      Kristofer Hutter Mês atrás +1

      @Daniel Rodrigues oh absolutely. Especially within the sci Fi genre. It's able to balance the concepts of aliens, and new technologies and dimensions, with actual theme and substance. It's absolutely perfect, I am shocked that I was lucky enough to come across it.

    • Daniel Rodrigues
      Daniel Rodrigues Mês atrás +1

      Definitely one of the best pieces of fiction I've come across, ever.

    • Derrick White
      Derrick White 2 meses atrás +2

      @Kristofer Hutter Three Body problem isn't solved today. But its understood, and there are several cases for which it is solved, and has been solved for decades... including the specific star system invoked. It takes itself more seriously than most of the escapist work labeled "sci fi", but in terms of serious science fiction, which it sells itself as, its woefully lacking. It has some cool ideas. But I found the execution weak.

  • Justin Ash
    Justin Ash 2 meses atrás +4

    Something we always think about seems to be that if there's an alien species out there that they must be more advanced, but what if we have never seen aliens is because we are the most advanced civilization out there.

  • Farhaan456
    Farhaan456 4 meses atrás +72

    If we are alone in this universe or not both are equally terrifying

    • soobin
      soobin 3 dias atrás +1

      Why aren't people writing original comments?

    • Meme Boi '
      Meme Boi ' 26 dias atrás

      @2hunnid And 5% percent of the ocean is just empty dark water
      The Bathy and Abyssopelagic zones are incredibly empty

    • nestro altam
      nestro altam Mês atrás

      @Lavrans we shouldn't really be doing what's easier , rather we should be doing what is necessary

    • Revon
      Revon Mês atrás

      bruh stop saying this shit over and over

    • Lavrans
      Lavrans 2 meses atrás +1

      @2hunnid Cuz it’s actually easier to explore space than the deep ocean.

  • HopCat
    HopCat 9 meses atrás +2253

    This has to be my favourite one of your videos! Existential and unimaginable questions put in perspective with beautiful analogies and animation.
    Thank you!

    • Timiren
      Timiren 9 meses atrás

      @Salty Tea Look at book series Three-body Problem. You might like it! That's where the theory comes from.

    • King Clanka
      King Clanka 9 meses atrás


      SNNNAAAAAAKEEEEE!!!!!!! 9 meses atrás

      @Jacob Ew politics

    • Oscar O'sullivan
      Oscar O'sullivan 9 meses atrás

      So what we end up with Doctor Who or Halo in real life

    • BriftDoard
      BriftDoard 9 meses atrás

      @Adam Bouchareb more like a jv4

  • g man
    g man 4 meses atrás +28

    With the way humans evolved, I'd be almost certain empathy would have to play a factor in any sort of civilization able to get to the point they can travel between solar systems. Specialization is key, and the "hyper-intelligent alien life" trope is just unrealistic because that sort of genetic complexity would be a nigh impossible feat for natural evolution to produce. Aliens, much like ourselves, would have to work together to survive, and thus empathy would be bred in.
    The most likely solution I can imagine is that (if there are alien species out there) every civilization thus far has either imagined the exact same (or similar) paradox, and thus is "staying quiet," or is unable to communicate or expand so far as to be noticeable. Being the first to say "Hello" could just be the start of intergalactic compromise and information sharing.

    • The Low Effort Channel
      The Low Effort Channel Mês atrás

      @Arachnid iruma They woukd theoretically be incapable of deceit, one that humans can leverage against such an enemy.

    • Arachnid iruma
      Arachnid iruma Mês atrás

      What if aliens have a hivemind though then there would be no need for empathy

    • Kevin Mathewson
      Kevin Mathewson Mês atrás +1

      @The Low Effort Channel The goal is to maximize how many interesting computations you can perform before heat death kills you, right? But over a long enough time span, everyone essentially wants to perform the same interesting computations. So it makes sense for everyone to work together to pool matter in one place, use the matter to fuel a giant computer, upload themselves into the computer, then merge their consciousnesses into one vast mind. This maximizes the interesting-computations-before-entropic-death for everyone involved.

    • Kevin Mathewson
      Kevin Mathewson Mês atrás +1

      @The Low Effort Channel "You fool! You simpleton! What about the wormholes?"

    • The Low Effort Channel
      The Low Effort Channel 2 meses atrás +1

      @Kevin Mathewson In case you are far too dull to realize, the stars and galaxies are rushing distant from one another as the universe expands. And every system bleeds out waste energy, no matter how efficient. Entropy brings all of existence to an end. The "winner" would be the one that has, if possible, seeded wormholes at pockets of matter, consolidating everything for themselves, to maximize the length of their survival.

  • David A
    David A 2 meses atrás +4

    If we expect natural reactions as hunters, maybe the encounter will be as two predators in nature, they don't usually kill each other , they avoid conflict, they put a display of dominance , and have corporal language, we can't even asume the other is of our own " size", odds may be like choosing two random animals and make them encounter, they will notice, but rarely they will engage

  • Dominic Tan
    Dominic Tan 3 meses atrás +34

    Its also comforting in a way. Knowing there are friendlies out there that warned us to avoid a big threat.

  • Al Kaholic
    Al Kaholic Mês atrás +1

    This video has a lot of confidence in us becoming a space-fairing species, even though there are absolutely zero signs whatsoever that our technology will EVER be capable of this. There's a good chance we have pretty much hit the plateau of what our simple life form can achieve and our space technology will never be significantly better than it already is.
    Space tech hasn't really changed much since the 60s. Minor refinements, but the fundamentals are still the same - big sealed metal tube with a lot of provisions onboard, massive explosion of fossil fuels underneath it in order to propel it upwards with just enough momentum to escape the gravitational force pulling it back to earth. We're no closer to Star Trek or Star Wars than we were over half a century ago, and there's no signs of it changing.

  • Better Chapter
    Better Chapter 9 meses atrás +35836

    Imagine someone on another planet seeing a similar space sci-fi vid about our planet

  • Yargis Sigrius
    Yargis Sigrius 2 meses atrás +3

    The one thing we could hope for is that we're seen as cute little creatures that need to be preserved. The more likely outcome is that our planet is too valuable to allow it to stay within our grasp.

    C4SUAL CYCL0PS 2 meses atrás +1

    This is probably my favorite interpretation of our cosmos, no matter how dark it seems. While the past IS the past, and the future is uncertain, it doesn’t take a lot to make it a little less scary.

  • 8DMusic 603
    8DMusic 603 Mês atrás +1

    Your content is beautiful. Everything from the art style to how easily each video explains complex ideas.

  • Arsen Here
    Arsen Here 4 meses atrás +2

    I think the reason we haven't seen a lot of aliens like in star wars is cause it hasn't been enough time yet. We might just be one of the first civilizations to ever exist.

  • Lencol
    Lencol 7 meses atrás +7852

    I’d be really annoyed if our first contact with aliens was them coming to earth as some sort of door to door salesman or trying to recruit us into a pyramid scheme.

    • Compan
      Compan Dia atrás

      Sounds like Douglas Adams 😂

    • Gavin Makes Music
      Gavin Makes Music 7 dias atrás

      @DEIVIDBOY 234 yea lmao I think independence day 2 is far worse than the original tho

    • Bishop Of Eternity
      Bishop Of Eternity 23 dias atrás

      Isn't that basically "They Live"?

    • vtrbswarmachine
      vtrbswarmachine 23 dias atrás

      Haha it's too real! Mud eater planet fixated on Fossil fuels and product's to make contact with infinity intellectual beings. If course there's anything at most something to sell. Also how's your air conditioning working out for you?

    • iEdgi
      iEdgi 28 dias atrás

      The Covenant?

  • MadeDaGamer72 MadeDaGamer72
    MadeDaGamer72 MadeDaGamer72 3 meses atrás +81

    It’s unfortunate that so many people will never even discover this channel. This concept alone should be turned into a movie, if not multiple. These videos are great

    • Jose Uribe
      Jose Uribe 2 meses atrás +1

      Read the Three Body Problem series, it's amazing and where this is from

    • Me da Ghost
      Me da Ghost 2 meses atrás +2

      This concept is from the Rememberance for Earth's Past Trilogy, more specifically the novel The Dark Forest.

    • Duckduck
      Duckduck 2 meses atrás +3

      @Gon Lenny Oh gosh on one hand I'm happy it's getting a film adaptation, though I'm not sure how well it would translate to the style, but also very afraid of how netflix is going to do it

    • Gon Lenny
      Gon Lenny 3 meses atrás +13

      Netflix are making film of the book Three body problem which this concept come from

  • Krish Ichpal
    Krish Ichpal 3 meses atrás +1

    sometimes, thinking about how little we know and how big the universe is, is really frustrating. Curiosity can make a man mad, but curiosity is also the reason we explore and theorise, curiosity might probably be the reason of the wipe put of the human species but at least then, we will know, we will be able to satisfy that curiosity.

  • pieflys123
    pieflys123 4 meses atrás +5

    It’s been 2-3 years since I last watched y’alls videos and… my goodness. They look so amazing. The animation is beautiful. Really helps with that sense of wonder. Keep it up y’all.

  • Dáda
    Dáda 3 meses atrás

    As someone once said: I don’t know whatˆ’s more scarry, the idea that we’re alone in the space, or the idea that we aren’t.

  • Iron Horn Forge
    Iron Horn Forge Mês atrás

    It's insane that we are even preparing for and looking for other possible life forms close to us considering only 100+ years ago we hadn't lifted off the ground in aircraft..

  • Eric watts
    Eric watts Mês atrás

    If I had “inter-dimensional cable” I’d try to find kurzgesagt’s video on DMT. I enjoyed the video, thank you for the hard work you put into this incredible video!

  • Mr. Lomin
    Mr. Lomin 5 meses atrás +5

    Like you said in the video, I believe we are in no way ready for space travel. Not about rational , scientific and technological process, more in a way of spiritual and emotional understanding. How can we go into space when we can't even unite on Earth? How can we interact with extraterrestrial beings when we can't even communicate with someone from another country or someone with a different skin tone? Once we realize we are all from Earth and lose this egocentric survival mindset. Then, we are ready for space travel and encounter something new.
    Maybe we still get blast into pieces and humanity and or Earth gets destroyed. But at least we died in peace.

    • NestedQuantifier
      NestedQuantifier Mês atrás

      What a stupid point of view. The universe cares not for your emotions. Space travel is based on practicality, not spirituality.

  • Traxathon
    Traxathon 5 meses atrás +1

    This concept feels like the Prisoner's Dilemma. Difficult in the abstract but real world studies find that people are able to solve it easily the vast majority of the time

  • TheDeytow
    TheDeytow 9 meses atrás +4644

    “I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.” -Jack Handey

    • BowflexMan
      BowflexMan Dia atrás

      Humans are the "terrible 2s" of universal life

    • Tuco Benedicto
      Tuco Benedicto Dia atrás

      @Infinite Honkworks A grim outlook to reality, but holy shit if it isn't a reasonable one.

    • Anym
      Anym Mês atrás

      @Arno Wisp And this is literally why we can't have nice things. Like our OP quoted, we'd be the sad civilization cowering in a corner with a pistol aimed at the door, shooting everything that comes through it without thinking.

    • The Low Effort Channel
      The Low Effort Channel 2 meses atrás

      @FanDidlyTastic 4/5ths of humanity cannot be statistically considered truly sentient. Propaganda is meant to target the 1/5th, the trendsetters. Not you.

  • The Nether Lord
    The Nether Lord 4 meses atrás +11

    i really love this video, the 'if i know i'm strong, then i know my enemy is strong too' and 'whoever shoots first, lives' are really important strategies and tactics that i have told a lot of people about. thanks, Kurzgesagt.

  • Belluz pazzo sulla base
    Belluz pazzo sulla base 4 meses atrás +5

    What an incredible opportunity this was for me.
    I must thank Kurzgesagt for putting me in the video at 9:21.
    It was an honor partecipating in this beautiful experience.

  • James Vaughn
    James Vaughn 3 meses atrás +9

    Great ending remarks!
    It's like Yoda said in "Empire Strikes Back" when Luke asked what's in the Cave:
    "Only what you take with you."
    If we bring fear and willingness to act violently into the universe, we can expect to be met with it as a reflection of what we're putting out there.
    If we project humility, curiosity and goodwill, we stand a better chance of meeting the same.

  • Akis Linardos
    Akis Linardos Mês atrás +2

    Point against this theory: the same reason we haven't already wiped ourselves out with nukes. Mutually Assured Destruction.
    An alien civilization firing this weapon won't know if the opposite civilization already has developed a way to detect the incoming missile. If that's the case, then it's final gamble would be to fire back another missile. Both civilizations would die in that case. Furthermore, the firing civilization would expose itself to other civilizations able to detect such phenomena. In this scenario it's safer to do absolutely nothing until proper means of communication are established.

  • neu
    neu 9 meses atrás +9689

    I was waiting for Kurzgesagt to cover this book. Such a terrifying concept, and yet I can’t stop thinking about it.

    • Kai Yan
      Kai Yan Dia atrás

      @RomansGoHome And this novel that is not to your taste got the Hugo Award. This can only mean that you are not the target reader of this book, unfortunately.

    • RomansGoHome
      RomansGoHome 2 dias atrás

      @Kai Yan I should blame the translator if the writing is bad? What are you smoking? 😂 It's the writer who creates the book, not the translator. It has terrible pacing, poor characterisation, plot holes and so on.

    • Kai Yan
      Kai Yan 2 dias atrás

      @UnderATallTree First of all, what is AGI? I haven't read the English version, so I can't make sense from your acronyms.
      Secondly, what does this have to do with the Dark Forest theory? My impression is that the Dark Forest doesn't have much to do with aesthetics of evolutionary organisms. Are you talking about two-dimensionalization foil?

    • UnderATallTree
      UnderATallTree 2 dias atrás

      @Kai Yan the most glaring one being that civilizations would necessarily retain the aesthetics of evolutionary organisms long after they create AGI

    • Kai Yan
      Kai Yan 2 dias atrás

      @UnderATallTree Okay, so please tell me which parts of the Dark Forest theory are arbitrary assumptions? pal

  • cpchehaibar
    cpchehaibar Mês atrás +2

    If we do get out there and discover other civilizations and we say 'We are peaceful'... who would we be trying to fool?

  • William Apple
    William Apple 3 meses atrás

    I was just thinking after watching your limit on how far we can reach video, isn't it possible alien civilizations advanced enough to visit earth just haven't observed our planet in a state where it is likely full of life? Or, if they have, they're still millions of years away from ever reaching us?

  • NinjaSheep
    NinjaSheep 4 meses atrás +1

    Reminds me of the precursor empire from Stellaris the Yuht. 2 million years of a stagnant and peaceful empire ended when the first spacefaring civilization they met scared them into pre-emptively attacking, which led to the Yuht being wiped out in self defense.

  • Jadyn AndChara
    Jadyn AndChara 5 meses atrás

    I think that even though there would be an obvious language barrier between species that could end up as them assuming we're being hostile is actually a bit less of a bad thing than we may think. We could probably tell what they're thinking without even contacting them at all. Sure the best way to win a battle between planets is to strike first, but if we use common knowledge, we will realise that they would be thinking about what we are as well. They might have even made a video simmilar to this one, and a comment alike to my own. They would try to avoid attacking us, because if they did, then they would know we would be attacking them as well. Not because it's retaliation, but because we're both scared, and we both wanted to attack at the same time. If we both attack eachother then nobody would survive and all would be lost, but if they instead take mercy and do not attack, we will too because we have also considered this thought. The outcomes are either that both we and them start international trade and realise we're both friendly, avoid eachother and stay on constant alert or one of us fire at the other in the first encounter and the other does not. The language barrier only accounts for direct communication, but sending small care packages of rare but completely harmless material would be enough to state our intention.

  • The Sandvich
    The Sandvich 9 meses atrás +1761

    The Dark Forest scenario reminds me of this writing prompt I saw once:
    "Due to the vast distances between stars, interstellar wars are often a case of who finds the other first. With such long trival times, any sort of retaliation is impossible, and the one who gets first strike always wins. Because of this, most intelligent species try to remain hidden and not give their position away. This is why everyone is so terrified of humanity, who feel the need to loudly broadcast their location."

    • Minh Quân Nguyễn
      Minh Quân Nguyễn 15 dias atrás

      @Vee Zee yeah I will call 911 and get cops to deal with him, not cowering in fear and just hoping he wouldn't eat me alive

    • Xen N
      Xen N 15 dias atrás +1

      @Minh Quân Nguyễn That supposes you know that you're the lion and the scream came from a human. Those are some very dangerous assumptions to make.

    • Lorentz Coffin
      Lorentz Coffin 22 dias atrás +1

      On the other hand because humanity broadcasts its location so vociferously it’s easy to locate and exterminate. The reason the forest is dark is because any light is immediately fired upon because it might be hostile. Which of course brings chains of suspicion into the equation.

    • JM 1
      JM 1 29 dias atrás

      If humanity had a motto it would be "f around and find out"

  • Bruce Storey
    Bruce Storey Mês atrás

    Great videos on this channel. A refreshing combination of realism, intelligence and entertainment. I'll keep watching.

  • Nope Son
    Nope Son 2 meses atrás +2

    The more i watch these videos the more I get convinced that we are in an alien simulation

  • Butch Cassidy
    Butch Cassidy 4 meses atrás

    Love this channel, and love what you do. One day soon I will be able to donate to your channel because if there's anywhere to give your money that's going to make a difference in the world it's this channel. Thank you for everything you do for the betterment of humanity. I can't wait to see what you have in store for the future"
    Like maybe lessons in VR? Or even videos with AR? I know whatever it is it's going to be for the advancement of the human race". If we had to send a representative of Earth" I hope your on that list"😎... Peace is always the safest answer. With Love, goodness and respect how can we go wrong in the face of a alien presence?
    Love your videos and what you do thank you".

  • 丂ㄒ尺卂山乃乇尺尺ㄚ

    Imagine if aliens somehow connected to our internet and watched all these videos about aliens that we’ve made.

  • Thomas Littlefield
    Thomas Littlefield 8 meses atrás +5135

    I think a language barrier between planets could be even more dangerous than what weapons they could have

    • Alice
      Alice 4 meses atrás

      @phyzzx hard disagree, who's to say aliens understand math?

    • Inverse_GachaGod
      Inverse_GachaGod 4 meses atrás

      If they smile and point an alien gun....run

    • Feathered Theropod
      Feathered Theropod 4 meses atrás

      i thought the same thing

    • CreepStone
      CreepStone 4 meses atrás

      @Mushe Esperanto.

    • Emilio Ortiz
      Emilio Ortiz 4 meses atrás

      you've read the sparrow huh :3

  • Fuzzy Logic
    Fuzzy Logic 2 meses atrás +1

    In this context, I'd massively recommend Cixin Liu's 'Remembrance of Earth's Past' trilogy - 'The Three-Body Problem', 'The Dark Forest' and 'Death's End'.
    Perhaps the finest science fiction of the early 21st century.

  • Jose Claudio Arocho
    Jose Claudio Arocho 5 meses atrás +1

    I sure hope any Alien encounters would be towards a better universe. Based off our own human interactions with each other I have my doubts.

  • Carl Bratcher II
    Carl Bratcher II 4 meses atrás

    I tried explaining the true threat, for both us and alien visitors, is the fact that it's for the most part a one way trip considering you more than likely have no way of knowing where or when you'll wind up. Further more, there no way of knowing who you'll run into and at what stage in their civilization, so to just call out or even worse, go out into the dark is probably the biggest risk that could ever be taken.

  • Mega Douche
    Mega Douche 5 meses atrás

    It'd be worthwhile considering what we'd do if we were a type 2-3 civilisation and discovered a fledgling intelligent species. We'd probably not interact with them, let their societies mature on their own.

  • Bichpants McGee
    Bichpants McGee 9 meses atrás +2645

    "Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying."
    -Arthur C. Clarke

  • Kelvin Liu-Huang
    Kelvin Liu-Huang 4 meses atrás +4

    "Competitive and expansionist cultures expand faster and further."
    To be clear, this also applies to corporations, nations, species, and civilizations. So serious question: how does a non-imperialist entity ever survive in the long term? Hiding is one option for interstellar civilizations, as mentioned.

    • Lorentz Coffin
      Lorentz Coffin 22 dias atrás

      Because they don’t spread far they are easy targets so they really only have two viable options, attaining the apex of stealth or the apex of extermination (though it would probably be referred to as cleansing to alleviate the burden of guilt). Both would effectively disappear from the universe but an extermination civilization would do so by wiping out any civilization it detected because that target civilization *might* one day detect the extermination civ and expand in its direction or worse be a like minded extermination civ.
      Now you could say perhaps they would be diplomatically minded but this cannot be the case as contacting any civilization initiates a chain of suspicion. Once initiated convoluted logic as well as competing ideologies and goals from different factions and communities within those civilizations form an unbreakable barrier to true friendship as neither party can ever truly grasp full scope of the goals and motives of the other, to the degree that it ultimately doesn’t matter whether or not a civilization is in reality peaceful or hostile because the survival of the species/civilization is on the line the safest bet is that they are ultimately hostile.
      The reason these chains do not form on earth is because not only are we operating with significantly lower stakes and at a ridiculously smaller scale but we also have so much in common, biology, common values, ecosystems, schools of thought, and even our languages. The list goes on but these common things allow us to relate to each other on a fundamental level, that in large part they are like us. This is not so for other races where differences may extend down to the kingdom level which creates areas of uncertainty where we lack information thus creating the chain. What to us may be a small mistake could be an insult of the highest magnitude demanding harsh penalties for the offender our resultant confusion will then become another link in the chain of suspicion, because we lack the information to resolve it.
      In conclusion there are ultimately two paths a non imperialist/non expansionist civ. One is as the ultimate hider, the other the ultimate hunter.

  • ankur jayawant
    ankur jayawant 4 meses atrás +12

    It's ridiculous to say that we find the space empty when the fact is that 97% of it is already beyond our reach.

  • Charles W
    Charles W Mês atrás

    They're already here my friends, and have been for a long time. Would you wipe out a near extinct animal sanctuary? Most would say no, let's hope most alien species would think the same way.

  • Ulfhir
    Ulfhir 3 meses atrás +3

    Everything, on earth at least, handles first contact in the same way. From micro-organisms to human empires, the first encounter is exploratory in nature, and not the entirety of the entity. So, the whole dark forest theory would play out in miniature between scouts. In both outcomes the next step is sending either envoys or expeditions. If they get killed we learn the capability of the other entity and then either hide or rapidly build countermeasures. The first contact is never nukes, simply because distances are huge and you don't know where to aim.

    • Yakarot Sennin
      Yakarot Sennin 2 meses atrás

      If you announce the exact position of your solar system in three-dimensional space to the Universe (this is indeed possible using various celestial objects as markers) then what??

  • TimeBucks
    TimeBucks 9 meses atrás +477

    this channel makes learning fun

    • Matej Petras
      Matej Petras 9 meses atrás

      @Elena 1. you didnt LEARN anything. Facts are not knowledge.
      2. You assume about someone you didn't even know. Nice job (Probably shows how intelligent you are)

    • Elena
      Elena 9 meses atrás +1

      @Matej Petras life isn't just about work. you can't possibly live life if you're constantly bored and not learning interesting stuff that make you WANT to live. shows how miserable your life actually is.

    • limp
      limp 9 meses atrás +1

      @Matej Petras Watermelon is red

    • Matej Petras
      Matej Petras 9 meses atrás

      @limp ignorance is bliss

    • limp
      limp 9 meses atrás +1

      @Matej Petras English is not your first language and it shows

  • Inevitable Leopard
    Inevitable Leopard Mês atrás

    So good, just so great. Comical yet interesting and thought provoking...this chanell never fails.

  • Bob The Bone Boy
    Bob The Bone Boy 2 meses atrás

    By the time we reach each other, we'll have had to make significant progress as a species, which entails careful consideration. Consideration comes about when stakes are high and we've more time to think, so, those more likely to be aggressive fight within themselves over short distances to inspire progress. Humans and other creatures with similar intelligence have the capacity to be incredibly rational, and equally irrational. humanity is equally as aggressive as it is tame, ultimately it's the environment around us and our understanding of its size that determines the balance. The easier a path is to take, the less we think about it, and the inverse is true. This is why life at the deepest depths of our ocean is seldom confrontational; The environment can only filter so much aggression before acting swiftly isn't worth the energy, or goes against the survival instincts that kept us alive. If reaching other ecosystems containing intelligent life continues to be difficult, those who would've acted aggressive would have little chance of ever even interacting at all. This is thanks to our contradictory thought process, in which in order to document important info, we must also document Null information that carries no weight. We rely on our innate instincts when we are starved of variables to process, and rely on them more often according to how long we go without. statistically, In order to make progress as a species, those who are more cautious and cooperative are, as a general rule, that way as a result of their conditioning, and are the ones who make the widest change, key word being widest and not largest. It's unlikely that other intelligent species would wipe each other out even if they had the capacity to, humans have nuclear bombs, but nuclear bombs aren't natural at all! we had to invent them, which took time and presented challenge. The only reason we haven't nuked each other yet is because people have a general understanding of the potential dangers, you can't design a machine for killing without knowing whether or not it's dangerous, in nature this isn't true, but we're divergent in that regard. We were so terrified of the idea of nuking each other, that even during an aggressive, irrational war, we knew not to do it, easy as it would be for both parties. If other intelligent life exists, by our definition of intelligent life, it will be different but built on the same principles, thinking about and fearing us as much as we do them. Whatever fear comes about at that point in time will be understood as mostly irrational, it's perceived duality would inspire connection and cooperation, not violence. It may not even be physical distance that determines this, it could also be the rate of exchange for info, and how often we express our understandings of what is dangerous or immoral. I suppose that if you take anything away from this, it should be that our capacity for aggression is limited by distance, time, and shared understanding.
    In our universe, all things follow power laws, and have connections deeply rooted in the most un-seeming of things. Specifically what's being demonstrated here is referred to as the 80/20 principle, of which countless processes, even those that are dictated purely by free thought, are entwined with. They don't invalidate free will, but are rooted deeply within it's components.

  • George Byron
    George Byron Mês atrás

    That was such an interesting, intelligent, thought out video. Surprisingly enjoyed.

  • staarfall
    staarfall 4 meses atrás +102

    two options: we are alone in the universe, or we arent. both possibilities are equally terrifying.

    • Kazabite Boltiz
      Kazabite Boltiz Mês atrás +1

      when i was small, i remember believing that the universe is in a science flask of a way higher being which is studying us,
      that every atom is a universe,
      that every universe is an atom.
      yeah its scary that we're alone. Why would we be alone? Why are we the only ones we've found? Why does the universe have only one planet with consciousness? It's a very deep thought that goes back to the creation of the universe and my brain cannot comprehend that much :P

    • Jared Frazier
      Jared Frazier 2 meses atrás +2

      @XdXd thats literally your opinion

    • XdXd
      XdXd 3 meses atrás +9

      Overused, and Being alone is far less terrifying tbh

  • Samuel Naticchia
    Samuel Naticchia 7 meses atrás +4923

    As Sagan said: “The newest children in a strange and uncertain cosmos should listen quietly for a long time, patiently learning about the universe and comparing notes before shouting into an unknown jungle that we do not understand.”

    • bogdy007
      bogdy007 4 dias atrás

      Also Stephen Hawking said it is a bad idea to advertise to the neighborhood our position...

    • Alexico421
      Alexico421 6 dias atrás

      But didn’t Sagan help create the information describing our civilization and location on the pioneer and voyager probes?

    • Del Pullen
      Del Pullen 19 dias atrás

      True, but also a baby that didn't scream for help and food would soon die on its own. Crying out is a LITERAL biological necessity for survival.

    • Kurt Richter
      Kurt Richter 24 dias atrás

      @HohHoch Yes, signal-to-noise ratio. We experience that terrestrially as well.

  • Nostradamus of Games
    Nostradamus of Games 5 dias atrás

    I like to think other aliens civilizations to be like those in Mass Effect as it seems the most realistic, though the species would inherently be much more diverse like us humans. Some are good some are bad, some are evil, some are peaceful.

  • Stefan Marino
    Stefan Marino 2 meses atrás

    The whole time this video had me thinking. This is all primitive human thinking of various conflicting situations on a sci fi level. At the end however it redeemed itself to being what I believe to be the correct understanding. But I do suppose it is not impossible to believe there are other civilizations out there that still possess the primitive construct of conflict and strife and have better technology.

  • Jesus & A Guy
    Jesus & A Guy 2 meses atrás

    Imagine a book or film/TV series based in a far off future where we’ve fixed most problems and are on the verge of interstellar colonisation. It’s be so cool.

  • Y E
    Y E 2 meses atrás +26

    Theoretically you’d be right to think we haven’t broadcasted our existence with radio. However, we did do something that is not naturally occurring, has a high industrial signature and can be easily detected over hundreds of light years - we’ve exploded nukes. So technically we’ve been letting the universe know we are here since 1945

    • Phoenixia
      Phoenixia Mês atrás +5

      I'd imagine the aliens' response to the sudden burst of radio traffic and the following series of nuclear explosions would be: "da fak they doin ova der"

  • Animagician
    Animagician 9 meses atrás +8477

    the art style in this video is perhaps my favourite of any kurzgesagt video so far. the way you guys have animated, portrayed, and narrated (!) aliens is stunning and thought provoking - kudos!

    • Joël Kroodsma
      Joël Kroodsma 9 meses atrás

      First thing I noticed as well.

    • beargreen1
      beargreen1 9 meses atrás

      @lavsyce how did you know?

    • Shinobic
      Shinobic 9 meses atrás

      Yeah I was thinking the same, the art was definitely different but better!!

    • ✪Hidden
      ✪Hidden 9 meses atrás


    • Alexander Bigioni
      Alexander Bigioni 9 meses atrás

      Without a doubt!

  • Michael Kamilos
    Michael Kamilos 4 meses atrás

    This idea is explored really well in Ender’s Game (the book, not the movie). At the end of the 2nd invasion, humanity just launched everything they had immediately afterward as to strike back fast and effectively. And the only option was total and complete destruction of the enemy homeworld.

  • Le bean
    Le bean 2 meses atrás +1

    Honestly, it makes sense that we're not a mature enough civilisation yet. I was offended for a second by that statement, because I thought, "no that's just how survival works"..... Oh.
    In all honesty, we fight too much amongst ourselves to ever consider contact with outsiders who wouldn't necessarily think like us.

  • 🌙Luna Lee Doodles🌙
    🌙Luna Lee Doodles🌙 4 meses atrás

    I’ve learned so many things from Kurzgesagt, thank you for being such a dedicated teacher.

  • Nathan Buckley
    Nathan Buckley 6 meses atrás +1

    I really enjoy Kurzgesagt videos and most are right on the money but I feel this one fails to appreciate two key concepts:
    1) Collaboration is always better than competition
    Any sufficiently intelligent being will recognize that collaboration is always better than competition, which is why we will almost certainly see far more (if not exclusively) friendly species when we venture out into space. Why destroy a civilization when you both can share all your knowledge and resources and both of you can grow even more? In other words, who do you think will survive in the long run if 6 different civilizations encounter each other in space (let's just assume all at the same time to keep it simple): the ones which attempt to strike out at others, immediately setting themselves as the enemies of 5 other species, or the ones which say "Hey, let's be friends, stick together, and share knowledge"? Assuming approximately equal size, the civilizations that worked together would have a tremendous resource and knowledge advantage that simply could not be overcome. And what's the best outcome of all? When they all become friends, share knowledge, and work together, meaning no one dies, everyone gains massive knowledge, and everyone wins. So again I repeat: Any sufficiently intelligent being realizes that cooperation is always better than competition. War is obsolete and only continues here on Earth because those in positions of power to wage it do not understand that there are better alternatives.
    2) The exponential rate of knowledge acquisition will always ensure vast differences in technological ability between species unless they share knowledge, rendering fighting out of the question.
    If you were to look at a graph of knowledge and technology acquisition for the human species over time, you would see a positive exponential curve. That is, as time has passed since the beginning of our modern anatomical form, we have steadily increased the rate at which we acquired new knowledge (which ultimately lends itself to new technology created with that knowledge). We started with fire, pottery, the wheel, the plow, moved to the compass, then paper, gunpowder, the printing press, electricity, the steam engine, the telephone, vaccines, cars, airplanes, rockets, nuclear fission, semiconductors, the personal computer, the internet, and all manner of stuff in between. The rate of growth is exponential because not only does our growing body of knowledge help us survive longer and sustain a larger population (which means more people can be scientists and inventors, and they can work longer), but our technology also continues to free us from doing tedious labor through robotics/automation, meaning even more people have the time and space to innovate, on top of the fact that we are getting smarter and smarter - each generation is significantly more equipped than the previous to advance human knowledge. It is estimated that the amount of technical knowledge we produce doubles every 2 years, and unless we happen to nuke ourselves to oblivion in World War III, this rate will only ever increase. At some point we will hit the technological singularity and the rate will skyrocket even further, and we will almost certainly do so long before we leave our solar system. When the technological singularity occurs, knowledge will begin increasing at a rate so fast that the difference of days, even minutes will start to mean vast differences in knowledge and technical prowess. Since the distance between stars is so vast, there is a requisite amount of knowledge that needs to be acquired by any given civilization to make traveling those distance feasible, which means virtually every one that does will likely have reached their own technological singularity, which means every civilization will have extremely high rates of knowledge acquisition and technology, which means that is it /EXTREMELY/ unlikely (effectively zero possibility) that any two civilizations will be at the same level of technological ability when they encounter each other, which means that war will be out of the question. It will be impossible to win for one side because they will never be able to compete technologically with the other side; it will be like a colony of ants encountering a tank.
    But like I said, there is nothing to worry about because intelligent civilizations realize that cooperation is ALWAYS better than competition. Humanity is not yet what I would call an intelligent civilization, sadly. As the war in Ukraine demonstrates, there are still people who believe that fighting, killing, and forcibly taking from others is the best solution to problems. We still harbor tribal tendencies and fight and argue and bicker amongst ourselves at every corner. Our people are still divided between countries, as if there is any real difference between us at the end of the day. We are lost in a maze of status-seeking, wealth signaling, and spending our entire lives focusing on making money, rather than spending our entire lives focusing on how to improve the human condition. Our civilization is not particularly intelligent yet, but someday, with a little effort, we will be.

  • PixelCrunch
    PixelCrunch 9 meses atrás +1395

    Besides the existential questions proposed in the vid, can we all agree that this is Kurzgesagt's best-animated video yet?

  • TheSanFrancisco SeaHorse
    TheSanFrancisco SeaHorse 2 meses atrás

    Imagine if another civilization wanted peace, and had significant technological advancement to share with us and us with them, but we chose to strike first and wipe them out before attempting communication...?
    And it wouldn't JUST be quite ones and dead ones..... you'd also have the victors. There might be civilizations with defenses so advanced that disease and projectiles can't harm their defenses.

  • Jade Roulade
    Jade Roulade 2 meses atrás

    I think we are too early in the timeline of the Universe and most civilsations are either in their cavemen phases, barely surviving with inhospitable conditions or got wiped out due to calamities. The Goldilocks Zones are few and far in between and there are still thousands of different variables like pressure, toxicity, sudden onset of winter etc. which will derail any progress possible.

  • Tom Tam
    Tom Tam Mês atrás

    i'm seeing these sorts of videos more with the rise of LCX's work, and i love it

  • Jason CALDWELL
    Jason CALDWELL Mês atrás

    Greg Bear wrote two amazing books on this-The Forge of God and Anvil of Stars.
    The underlying notion is that humanity is an infant crying in the middle of a dark forest as hungry wolves quietly circle closer....

  • Tyler
    Tyler 7 meses atrás +2592

    I enjoyed that one aliens perspective on this in the 3 body problem.
    Humanity found a way to use the sun to call out into the darkness, and we get the perspective of an alien thinking to itself "either this species doesn't understand the dark forest, or they are so powerful they have no fear of what lies in the forest."

    • Space junk
      Space junk Dia atrás

      And then they procede to doom themselves.

    • Kai Yan
      Kai Yan 2 dias atrás

      @Luc Carl the reality is not a lovely fairy tale in your imagination

    • Remy
      Remy 23 dias atrás

      Either way Singer thought they'd be too dangerous to just destroy the sun and decided our solar yatem would look better as a 2 dimensional picture. The whole human race was wiped because two people got super emotional. Loved the book but it irritated me

    • Rob BOSS
      Rob BOSS Mês atrás

      Or maybe we’re the first civilisation? Maybe we are the ancient people, and generations down the line, aliens will contact us?

  • Douglas Faichnie
    Douglas Faichnie 3 meses atrás

    Invisible arrows!! Brilliant! So much more simple than trying to explain relativistic kill missiles to a lay-audience. 👌

  • Cycles
    Cycles 4 meses atrás +1

    thinking about how unbelievably big the universe is and what beauty and extreme danger is out there free's my mind and makes me realize that in the grand scheme of things we are nothing. but maybe because of that we shouldn't worry about the things in our lives that bother us. maybe we should just do our best and do what makes us feel the best and just enjoy our stay on this random space rock while we still have it.
    I personally don't believe in a god or a heaven so I think we should make the most out of existing and what comes after doesn't matter because we're not there to find out or care. we'll just be nothing and that doesn't matter to us because we can't.
    life is short but that's ok, it doesn't matter how long we are around. what matters is that now that you and me and everyone else are here we make our lives the best they could be so our limited time will be worth a million years...

  • Someone
    Someone Mês atrás

    I think that I civilization that could track us from our signals and find us is fully capable of wiping us out but I'm doubtful of how primitive other species are.

  • DrillaMozart
    DrillaMozart 5 meses atrás +1

    Imagine, there could be living lifeforms travelling right now in outer space 🤯

  • The Silent Astrophotograper
    The Silent Astrophotograper 9 meses atrás +950

    “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” - Arthur C Clarke.

    • htaeD2
      htaeD2 2 meses atrás +1

      Stop using that stupid quote, it's overused and cliche. And no, to me, neither are terrifying.

    • Proger 19
      Proger 19 9 meses atrás +1

      I mean true but again there are companies like SpaceX doing their part in making a presence on Mars and other companies wanting to do similar things so it’s not all bad.
      But yeah climate change sound like the bigger issue , maybe we can somehow find a way to properly solve it cause we humans have learned to solve serious issues before.

    • planescaped
      planescaped 9 meses atrás +1

      @Warboy 99 In an ideal world yes, all these notions however do not to factor in the reality and tend to function on possibilities and what-if's and presumed trajectories of human and technological advancement.
      They're assumptions based on hopes that we'll just magic up ways and means someday of dealing with problems that are currently impossible for us to solve. The fact of the matter however is as I stated, and more likely than not there aren't realistic solutions to these issues... The amoeba building a ship analogy. They could be super intelligent microscopic beings with microscopic industry, but any ship they can make will never be able to do the task they want of it because the materials they have available would not work, and the laws of the universe at that level would be insurmountable.
      Same goes for organic life and space.

    • Proger 19
      Proger 19 9 meses atrás

      *With thoughts like that we definitely ain’t advancing , space may suck to you but it’s our last frontier and we must try to discover newer things and colonize it*

  • Muaz Adam
    Muaz Adam 2 meses atrás +1

    i feel like the most realistic challenge of meeting aliens would be the langue barrier

  • Frane Poljak
    Frane Poljak 4 meses atrás +1

    I don't see how civilization even slightly more aggressive than us could thrive to become so thechnologically advanced without wiping themselves out

  • OutrageousCreator
    OutrageousCreator 6 meses atrás +1

    This is perhaps my favourite channel so far because of all the detail that has been put into all the videos are also good for teachers to play the videos at high school

  • Johan Mosqueda
    Johan Mosqueda 4 meses atrás

    The animation on this episode is just phenomenal.

  • MatthewPogi 1558
    MatthewPogi 1558 9 meses atrás +1121

    I like to think one day, parents will tell their kids “be careful about what you send out into the universe…you can’t delete it in entirety!”

    • Addam Riley
      Addam Riley 9 meses atrás

      @Jack Sparrow I didn’t say string theory explains everything. Just form... which it does... if you want everything you’re into into the noetic fields of consciousness... have you figured out that everyone is the same person yet?

    • Addam Riley
      Addam Riley 9 meses atrás

      @Jack Sparrow no shit it’s string theory get over yourself, and if you understand it you’d know it goes contradictor to the uncertainty principle, because it would mean ALL the outcomes occur simultaneously. That’s NOT an uncertain principle. That’s a dimension fallacy.

  • efugee
    efugee 2 meses atrás +1

    I cried when both the hunters stepped into the clearing together.

  • Kevin Mathewson
    Kevin Mathewson 3 meses atrás +1

    Wiping out a civilization is a great way to say to the universe, "I am a threat to all of you, eliminate me."

  • Magestic waffle ART
    Magestic waffle ART Mês atrás +2

    This is why force fields are an idea - and they wouldnt be THAT hard

  • Bent Mathiesen
    Bent Mathiesen Mês atrás

    Glad that you do try to make sense, and with a very nice presentation. Too many series portraying the universe with human like aliens with same technology level, ruins peoples understanding. However, I am less (depending on how you see it), positive that we will not get noticed. As we are looking for planets showing signs of life, so will advanced aliens as well. Too find potential competition/friends, in their effort to map space around them. If they see/understand that we are dangerous to ourselves and thereby others, they might decide to eliminate us before we are a serious danger to them.

  • Nikos
    Nikos 9 meses atrás +842

    Let me add a bit more to the existential dread: the 2 hunters stepping out in the clearing are making themselves vulnerable to another hunter who is still hidden and really considers taking both out as quickly as possible.

    • Tjalve
      Tjalve Mês atrás

      @NestedQuantifier It DOES apply to species as well. Because different species can have different strengths and weaknesses, as well as different technologies, that can supplement each other and offset weaknesses.
      As well as the fact that if two species from different planets combine their forces, they have twice as many planets. Which means that if a third aggressive species have weapons that can essentially wipe out all life on a planet, they now have to do this against twice as many planets.

    • NestedQuantifier
      NestedQuantifier Mês atrás

      @Tjalve That simply doesn't apply for species as a whole, because people can multiply.

    • B Z
      B Z 7 meses atrás +1

      This actually happens in the series of books the channel recommends.
      Spoilers: It doesn't end well for either of the ones exposed.

    • Pieter IJzerman
      Pieter IJzerman 8 meses atrás +1

      @Alka Saket so the third hunter will use a drone to shoot them to not give away its location..

    • Giorgi Aladashvili
      Giorgi Aladashvili 9 meses atrás

      That's kinda what happens in Freespace games: while humans and other hostile aliens (Vasudans) are out there killing each other, a much more menacing threat appears in the form of Shivans and starts massacring them both.

    MISTER SIR 28 dias atrás

    Imagine if static noise from the depth of the Universe is just an artificial filter introduced by a hyperadvanced alien species to ensure that lesser intelligent/advanced species will not be able to send long-distance signals and thus not be found by malevolent threats of the cosmos. As a way to safeguard lesser species until they have advanced enough to understand their surroundings and govern themselves from outside threats.

  • Leranavo Tobbigoy
    Leranavo Tobbigoy 6 meses atrás

    What if Venus was formerly a host of life, but were discovered by another civilization, and they destroyed them?

  • Leah L
    Leah L 3 meses atrás +2

    I never agreed with the dark forest idea. It feels wrong to assume such a primitive mindset among space-traveling civilizations. Surely, there would be countless ways for a high-tech civilization to counter hostile weaponry, when it would take years for the attacks to hit their targets.

    • JM 1
      JM 1 29 dias atrás +1

      In Dark forest scenario "shoot first" has one fundamental flaw, much more pragmatic one.
      Imagine that you detect my planet. You have no idea if that is my only planet, or even if that planet represents my max technological capabilites, maybe I am in early agrarian phase or maybe I am a massive galactic empire and that planet is my planetary resort which my people visit when they want to get closer to nature or sth. If you do a first strike you may have just angered someone you REALLY do not want to anger.
      Being ready to defend yourself but not hostile is your best bet - you can fight against those you are on equal footing with and do not anger those who are higher on the totem pole who will also face similar dilemma.
      Eternal peace through paranoia.

  • Jdmilion
    Jdmilion Mês atrás

    I feel like star trek had some good ideas , maybe instead of this dark forrest thoery , a wise and advanced civilization grew because they were logical and rational and worked together . And the species like us died out because of our self-destructive traits before we could get to the stage of being interstellar . And they just sit and wait for other species to go interstellar , then introduce themselves .

  • Pangaea
    Pangaea 9 meses atrás +1166

    If only everyone would see this video and realize that we're in this together - as a species. Puts all of our petty disputes in perspective.

    • Blechkopp
      Blechkopp 5 meses atrás

      This didn't age well unfortunately.

    • Zeal Gaming
      Zeal Gaming 9 meses atrás +1

      @Pangaea Yes, i am both predator and prey. And i embrace both the aspects equally. Another unknown filter is approaching. The fish was once one, but split into two. The age of pisces has now ended. And the new age of Aquarius is upon us. Good and evil now has to become one once again, or humanity will not surpass it's previous incarnation, and will regress to a previous state.

    • Pangaea
      Pangaea 9 meses atrás

      @Zeal Gaming You're part of the human race, whether you like it or not ;).

    • Zeal Gaming
      Zeal Gaming 9 meses atrás

      Everyone: Yes we are all in this together!
      Me: I am not.

  • Jake.
    Jake. 4 meses atrás +1

    Imagine the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs was sent by some alien civilisation that felt threatened by the first signs of life on earth, it just took so long to get here that life had evolved to dinosaurs by then

  • Carlo Da Silva
    Carlo Da Silva 5 meses atrás

    Well... That makes me think that it's possible that an advanced civilization tried to wipe life one Earth once before, by sending an asteroid to wipe the dinosaurs, but didn't quite manage? Probably not, but just a thought I guess...

  • Meteorman
    Meteorman 4 meses atrás +1

    There are probably other civilizations out there, but they are so far away, we are basically alone and we will always be alone.

  • SDsc0rch
    SDsc0rch 2 meses atrás

    if we observe two (or more) diverse civilizations cooperating together, there is an indication of a possibility for a peaceful co-existence --- if they are a single civilization, all bets are off - we should remain quiet (( and build defenses! ))